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I am not that familiar with the theology of the religious right, but do they not basically believe that Catholics are not Christians? That Catholics are not saved?

Interesting how they are standing up for Roberts if that is the case.

Obviously they can share some values, but it seems a little self-serving to champion someone who in your Church life consider to be unsaved.

oh boy
*chuckle*
where to begin? :)

well, the religious right is a political movement, not a religious one, at the end of the day. that's important to keep in mind.

there are probably those--many, in fact--in the religious right (that is, especially those among the leaders, from the local levels to the national) who do believe that the heaven-bound roman catholic is relatively rare indeed (though probably more common than a congregationalist!), simply by virtue of the fact that most of the religious right are fundamentalist, conservative evangelical, or conservative charismatic or pentecostal christians, who are rigorously protestant.

however, while belief in things like the infallibility of the pope, or the immaculate conception, or the efficacy of infant baptism are anathema to most protestants (and the religious right has mos6tly been, until recently, a profoundly protestant-populated movement, but less so all the time), none of those roman catholic doctrines are mutually exclusive to a belief in the literal virgin birth, life, death, and bodily resurrection of jesus, or his divinity.

therefore, from the more common protestant perspectives, nothing about being roman catholic damns one, per se. it's just that, from the protestant perspective, the accretion of tradition, canon law, history, political corruption, etc., etc., has constructed a roman catholic church/tradition that is less likely to adequately and directly communicate to the believer in the pew those things that are necessary for salvation.

but, at another level, your point is 100% right: nothing about BEING ROMAN CATHOLIC saves your soul, according to the protestant perspective; only those things about being roman catholic that happen to be critical to being a born-again christian--which basically boil down to the surrender of (appeal from) self to the personal, divine christ that saves; yet, even then, the efficacy of salvation is only through the grace of god ultimately; nothing a person "does" saves them, supposedly, according to common protestant thought. that's actually a big source of tension historically between protestantism and roman catholicism. roman catholicism stress "doing" a lot of stuff (baptism, confession, communion), but protestantism de-emphasizes the human role in salvation beyond ones acceptance of and submission to the divine christ jesus.

clearly, what is bringing together so many roman catholics and protestants under the umbrella of the religious right is a common belief in the special role of the christian in redeeming society, and a common misconception about america's founding as supposedly a "christian" nation (it was culturally nominally christian but legally and formally utterly SECULAR--by intention!), and a belief that unless countered, all of america's secularizing influences will basically eventually (quickly) make the nation a place where it's uncomfortable to be a [judgmental] christian of any sort. (how those "influences" came to be equated with things like funding for the arts and taxation fairness is a whole different issue that has to do with the way the GOP and neo-cons use the religious right, and how the leaders of the religious right use the rank and file)

let's face it though: the religious right is a political movement, and politics always makes strange bedfellows (i love that phrase in this context if also taken in light of the whole gay marriage canard), and certainly roman catholics and protestant evangelicals and fundamentalists are coming together as never before in the history of this nation to affect our laws and culture.

hope that helps a bit. you might want to check out the religious right watch glossary, and explore terms on wikipedia.com.

Please. Can't we just say that Roberts is devout, and leave the Catholic part out of it? It is dangerous to conflate Catholicism with pro-life views. Consider the Catholic-hating fundamentalist dominionists who also believe it is appropriate, even necessary, to allow one's religious beliefs to dictate their performance in public life.

Full disclosure--I am a pro-choice, Democratic Catholic.

that's a good point
there are pro-choise roman catholics
and certainly what should be at issue relative to roberts and roe v. wade is not that "he's catholic" per se, but that he's "pro-life"

however, relative to the issue of the real possibility of benedict xvi supporting the withholding of communion from officials who are pro-choice, roberts' roman catholicism itself is relevant.

ignore the typos please :) ("choise?" it's been a long day already)

I am a pro-choice, Democratic Catholic.

Not for long. I reckon Pope Ratzenberger will be busy about the lord's work, setting up tests for the flock to pass on the below-the-waist issues so dear to his heart.

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